Not to sound like a hipster R.E.M. fan, but as a kid I wanted to—and this is not something I’m super proud of—but a lot of times when it comes to my relationship with music, especially when I was younger, I’m trying to project something. I’m trying to say something about myself. With liking R.E.M., I was trying to say: I am a sophisticated listener of rock-and-roll music and I care about lyrics and there are lots of secrets in them.